Music Forum / new orleans, jazz, and the blues.

i'm taking AP/IB Anthropology this year and for the past week we have been focusing on an extremly interesting topic: new orleans and jazz. our teacher has made some extremely well put points about what we are going to loose, and what is, and is no,t going to be the same when the denizens of new orleans dance back into the city. he also raised some interesting questions about jazz and what it provided for it's generation. the most interesting topic we discussed was what do we have today that would be what jazz was for it's time?

basically what i've learned is that jazz was the culmination of the slave music, the creole, and the cajun/indies music coming together. it was a way to say "fuck you white boy," out loud, and "i don't got to listen to you i can dance and shake my ass all i want." without getting lynched. then, as stated earlier, he posed the question of, "what do we have today that is the same?" back when he was a teenager (the 70s-60s) they had led zepplin, the who, the doors etc. he explained that the reason they were so popular is that they did the whole "let's rebel now, fuck yeah!" message so well. if you listen to the music today what do you see; whiny-ass-emo-kids and people with their oily and black music and mainstreamers who listen to the crap of the day. britney spears, 50 cent, and whatever shit is on the radio now. what is the message we are trying to send to the "others"? is there no outbreak now? are we just ever more complacent?

yet another question that was brought up, was what are we loosing with new orleans? obv we are not going to be able to listen to so many jazz and blues songs that we onced listened to the same way. is the language of music going to be changed? i saw this excellent example illustrating the language of music: winton marsallis was talking about how he could go to a club in new york, atlantic city, los angeles, san fransisco, ANYWHERE and play "bo bo bo be be da doooo" and the other guy would go "boooo booo booo deee dope dope dop," and together the band, or group, would speak the language of music. it was quite amazing, and a pretty powerful scene.

the economical empact that katrina left on new orleans is not the only thing that will be felt, i think. we are going to loose culture. the home of blues, jazz, and most likely ragtime music, will be forever changed. how will the tune of new orleans be changed? i do not think that anyone will be listening to 'what a wonderful world' ever again.

that's all i have to say. this was pretty much a stream of consciencous writing so expect lots of errors etc. please do not merge this with the katrina topic as it is totally seperate in its ideology.

The French Quarter survived with little damage, and is not underwater. That's the only important part of New Orleans, anyway.

Also, there hasn't been a lot in the way of new jazz and blues coming out of New Orleans lately. Modern jazz (not smooth jazz, or elevator music as it's more commonly known) isn't thriving anymore. I think the jazz/jam band scene is more thriving now, actually, and they're all from New York, Boston, or California. It's better music, too.

I don't really care about the city. Like it was said on John and Ken today (KFI), NO was one of the worst cities in the country, with the highest crime rate. To put that into prespective... the looting and all the violence that happend the past week wasn't even 1-1000th of a percent of what happens there yearly. Good. Riddence. They deserved it. They'll make the city great now, with one that's not nearly as bad, where it'll be a much larger ratio of rich to poor. It won't be the same, for good cause. Check this out, could be something that most likely will happen if NO does rebuild...

http://www.usatoday....ions-edge_x.htm

Music wise... I've never heard any modern band I listen to say they've been influence by Jazz in one way or another, so that loss would not phase me. And most other caucasian out there. Except for the band dweebs out there (school band dweebs, not like, garage band ones... cause there is no such thing).

Although you put a good point about the past of jazz, I don't think jazz relies only on its past to create such wonder sound.

Oh, and it's 'its' in your sig, not 'it's' - you need the possessive version. And yes, I'm an ass.

thanks for catching my mistake, i will fix it.

haha, good, I wasn't beaten.

I don't really care about the city. Like it was said on John and Ken today (KFI), NO was one of the worst cities in the country, with the highest crime rate. To put that into prespective... the looting and all the violence that happend the past week wasn't even 1-1000th of a percent of what happens there yearly. Good. Riddence. They deserved it. They'll make the city great now, with one that's not nearly as bad, where it'll be a much larger ratio of rich to poor. It won't be the same, for good cause. Check this out, could be something that most likely will happen if NO does rebuild...

http://www.usatoday....ions-edge_x.htm

Music wise... I've never heard any modern band I listen to say they've been influence by Jazz in one way or another, so that loss would not phase me. And most other caucasian out there. Except for the band dweebs out there (school band dweebs, not like, garage band ones... cause there is no such thing).

I'm sure you've never spoken to a black person in your life, but just because you see them on TV in New Orleans doesn't mean they should all die.

Also, I listen to jazz, and I hate band dweebs. Oh, and I'm caucasian.

Then again, I AM vastly superior to you in every way, so musically that makes sense. Say hi to Finch for me next time you see them at the mini-mart.

anyways, brent, you made an fool out of yourself.
band dweebs? really come on. jazz was instrumental in shaping music and the modern american. improvisation, where would we be without that? please, i do not think that 'OMGS! I LOVE FINCH' could go into some club and just start playing. they would have to smoke one-metric fuckton of pot to come up with anything remotely good, if, even, that. once again, music would not be where it is today without jazz.

Like it was said on John and Ken today (KFI), NO was one of the worst cities in the country, with the highest crime rate. To put that into prespective... the looting and all the violence that happend the past week wasn't even 1-1000th of a percent of what happens there yearly.

please. this is an obvious testament to you being a drone, 'the radio said! mommy, the raid said i the moon was going to hit the earth!!'. this shows how near sighted you are. cities have always been plagued with crime, does that impead on the creation of music? i do not think so. the fact that american's can so easily dismiss a city because it had "bad crime" and "poverty". it can also be said that jazz was the founder of the get your message out type of music. how can you discredit that? what did we have before? opera, classical music, marching band, mostly instrumental music or religious music. jazz can be credited with the "invention" of quick paced music. ilean castle, because of jazz invented the fox trot, a now classical dance. once again, how can you discredit this with:

the crime was bad, oh!

?

i also like this little snippiet:

Music wise... I've never heard any modern band I listen to say they've been influence by Jazz in one way or another, so that loss would not phase me. And most other caucasian out there. Except for the band dweebs out there (school band dweebs, not like, garage band ones... cause there is no such thing).

it is obvious that the bands which you listen to are ignorant. you have to give credit to jazz musicians for the points which i expressed ealier. lastly, garage band dweebs? come on, they might not be called dweebs, but emo comes to mind.

I don't really care about the city. Like it was said on John and Ken today (KFI), NO was one of the worst cities in the country, with the highest crime rate. To put that into prespective... the looting and all the violence that happend the past week wasn't even 1-1000th of a percent of what happens there yearly. Good. Riddence. They deserved it. They'll make the city great now, with one that's not nearly as bad, where it'll be a much larger ratio of rich to poor. It won't be the same, for good cause. Check this out, could be something that most likely will happen if NO does rebuild...

http://www.usatoday....ions-edge_x.htm

Music wise... I've never heard any modern band I listen to say they've been influence by Jazz in one way or another, so that loss would not phase me. And most other caucasian out there. Except for the band dweebs out there (school band dweebs, not like, garage band ones... cause there is no such thing).

You've got to be fucking kidding me. They deserved it? You don't care about Jazz and neither do most other caucasians out there? I sure hope you were kidding.

He's lying, actually. He probably blares Miles Davis and John Coltrane out of his "system" in his motorized dumpster, I mean Scion xB.



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great, i was interested in hearing what head had to say on the topic. way to fuck that up brent.

Thanks for spinning and putting words into my mouth... I never said black people, or black at all in my post.

I don't really care about the city. Like it was said on John and Ken today (KFI), NO was one of the worst cities in the country, with the highest crime rate. To put that into prespective... the looting and all the violence that happend the past week wasn't even 1-1000th of a percent of what happens there yearly. Good. Riddence. They deserved it. They'll make the city great now, with one that's not nearly as bad, where it'll be a much larger ratio of rich to poor. It won't be the same, for good cause. Check this out, could be something that most likely will happen if NO does rebuild...

I hope a mob of New Orleans street thugs reads that and tracks you down to lynch your ass. Thats got to be the most sickening thing I've read here... Like Ed said, I just hope you were kidding, because karma can be a bitch. Its ignorance like this that plagues the future of our country.

Anyway, as far as Jazz goes and the culture within the city of New Orleans; I think it will be back. People are resilient. By no means will they let this ruin their city or the history within it. True, it may never be the same, but New Orleans will be back.

Thanks for spinning and putting words into my mouth... I never said black people, or black at all in my post.

Please. We know damn well what you meant.

I really like Jazz. I really don't like cars that look like refrigerators.

Music wise... I've never heard any modern band I listen to say they've been influence by Jazz in one way or another, so that loss would not phase me. And most other caucasian out there. Except for the band dweebs out there (school band dweebs, not like, garage band ones... cause there is no such thing).

Ha ha ha... brent, you crack me up. I can't listen to anything on the radio and not see the jazz influences. Shit, R&B has it in its fucking name! Face it, brent. If you want to be ignorant to the basis of American music, go nuts man. You're just fucking retarded. Band dweebs will be writing your checks some day.

I love jazz and blues. It's very fun to play too.