Park / Voyager

  • 19-May 11
Park_1907 Voyager

31 Comments

  • robbie92%s's Photo
    United Kingdom robbie92 Offline
    No, I don't. I would see more credit for a DESIGN go to the person that built the coaster and it's accouterments rather than the person that made a supporting flat, foliage, and some additional archy. I don't care if Liam rescued this from an untimely death; it still goes that the heart of the design and the bulk of main content is RRP's work, thus meaning he deserves more credit. I'm sorry, but I guess I'm just stupid for thinking the coaster (or tracked ride) should e the focus of the design and therefore where most of the credit should go to, not adding in foliage, two buildings, so additional details, and a flat.

    Liam, don't think I'm trying to ignore your contributions, but I just feel that in a design, the person who, you know, actually made the "design" part should get more credit.
    posted 13 years ago
  • RRP%s's Photo
    United Kingdom RRP Offline

    I did not try to imitate him of course... And even if I tried, I can't! So it makes sense that it doesn't have the 'nitty-gritty sense' and stuff. I just figured an adorned layout (that's all it is; unimportant filler to hide the bare land) would be more fun to view and would get more attention than a bare layout! It's a tribute to RRP in a way. :)

    The 'adornments' are not entirely unimportant of course... The lightbulb replacing mechanic (pierrot's screen) and the heavily hacked enterprise (I love how the ride base is a donut, and not a 4x4 square) are hacks I could've saved for a hypothetical strong solo release. In my opinion they're great touches.



    I know! I just thought the coaster was brilliant and it would be a waste to leave it unfinished forever. I tried to finish it as basic as possible. I copypasted the tiny bit of landscaping you did on the rest of the map and I took inspiration from your foliage. The architecture couldn't get much more generic from me.

    It's weird how we both have realistic styles with a similar approach (focus on identity, credibility and imperfection), yet I can't get our styles to work together. I think our styles clashed in Calypso Quay (also because I had no idea where it was going) and it was a struggle to come up with something that looked good here as well. I want to try it a third time nonetheless... ;)

    Thanks for the replies, by the way. For 60% of them.

    Thanks again.I appreciate it.I do agree with the style clashes though, but better finshed than unfinished

    No, I don't. I would see more credit for a DESIGN go to the person that built the coaster and it's accouterments rather than the person that made a supporting flat, foliage, and some additional archy. I don't care if Liam rescued this from an untimely death; it still goes that the heart of the design and the bulk of main content is RRP's work, thus meaning he deserves more credit. I'm sorry, but I guess I'm just stupid for thinking the coaster (or tracked ride) should e the focus of the design and therefore where most of the credit should go to, not adding in foliage, two buildings, so additional details, and a flat.

    Liam, don't think I'm trying to ignore your contributions, but I just feel that in a design, the person who, you know, actually made the "design" part should get more credit.

    Dont worry about it.We already nudged my contribution up from 30-35% (something like that). Either way i dont really care.
    posted 13 years ago
  • Metropole%s's Photo
    United Kingdom Metropole Offline
    I completely disagree with you Luketh, I mostly agree with Robbie, but I have no idea what % was done by RRP and what was done by Liampie, so whether the current percentage is correct I am in no position to judge. But other factors shouldn't be taken into account, basically, if RRP built approximatly 40% of the park, he should get a 40% share, regardless of whether he would have finished the park or not. If he did 40% (or 50 or [enter number here] and that is what he should be credited for, nothing else to say.

    As for the style clash debate...I don't see a real style clash here at all. Obviously it's not the direction RRP had intended, but these are 2 different minds. Liampie took it in a direction that he saw fit, and that was one of many directions it could have gone. I think it happened to blend rather nicely. So good job.
    posted 13 years ago
  • geewhzz%s's Photo
    United States geewhzz Fan Offline
    this was FANTASTIC, and it would have been amazing whether Liam or RRP finished it....either way. I'm having my cake and eating it too.
    posted 13 years ago
  • RCTMASTA%s's Photo
    United States RCTMASTA Offline

    I would see more credit for a DESIGN go to the person that built the coaster and it's accouterments rather than the person that made a supporting flat, foliage, and some additional archy.

    hit the nail on the head, rob.

    Honestly, I think there should have been more credit for RRP. As rob said, I feel that without RRP's coaster and station/supports, what is the design? Just a couple buildings and a ton of concrete in a forest near a dried up river. 50 or even 55 I think would have been a more appropriate share, in my opinion.

    The coaster was bloody brilliant. The supports, everything was just fantastic. Though some of the turns look a bit awkward, I still like this a lot. Especially the mechanic changing the lightbulb, it was a nice detail. Reminds me of my dad, being an electrician and all.

    I still don't like the station roof :p

    I have to agree, that white roof stands out too much.

    I'd vote 70%, because I feel that it needs a few more buildings, it think that would make it perfect. I'd still only vote 80% though :p
    posted 13 years ago
  • Liampie%s's Photo
    Netherlands Liampie Offline

    How is Liam getting %60 of this? RRP did the layout, supports, station, transfer, storage, and the woodie queue? I would see that as way more than 40% of the design, especially considering that %60 is pathway, some foliage, a flat, and a couple buildings.

    I made multiple modifications to the supports, the station and the transfer, and I totally redid the queue. 'Some foliage' doesn't do it justice in my opinion. The foliage is complex and took many many hours to make it look like this! I wouldn't say it's as much work as the supports of course, but it is a considerable effort anyway.

    IDK, I just feel Liampie is getting more credit on this than RRP is, which should be the other way around.

    I agree. My work is nice, but still it's just adornments for a brilliant coaster. RRP's work is dominant here. :)

    I'm sorry, but I guess I'm just stupid for thinking the coaster (or tracked ride) should e the focus of the design and therefore where most of the credit should go to, not adding in foliage, two buildings, so additional details, and a flat.
    Liam, don't think I'm trying to ignore your contributions, but I just feel that in a design, the person who, you know, actually made the "design" part should get more credit.

    I agree that the ride should be the focus, but with that last sentence you do ignore everything else. A coaster is just a coaster. A design is a coaster in a context. I think the creator shares should reflect how much of the factual content was contributed by each player, and not subjectively how important each contribution was. At first I gave RRP 30% (Calculated by map surface; In terms of map surface, I actually did 70% (estimated of course :p )), and looking back now that was too little indeed.

    I have no problem with changing the shares to 50-50 under pressure, but honestly wHaT tHa FuCk aRe We TalK!ng aBoUt!? Regardless of who made what and how, let's eat cake and celebrate our hobby. :lol:
    No offense to you robbie, I respect you and your opinion. NOW CELEBRATE! :mantis:
    posted 13 years ago
  • wildroller%s's Photo
    United States wildroller Offline
    Seems like the two who made the design are happy about their shares, so why fight about who should of got what percent?

    Anyway, looks fantastic, I couldn't imagine doing this supports by hand, will certainly be taking a look at this design sometime today I think. That turnaround looks incredibly awesome as does the rest of the layout.
    posted 13 years ago
  • RRP%s's Photo
    United Kingdom RRP Offline
    And for anyone whos interested.This is what i built
    download
    posted 13 years ago
  • MCI%s's Photo
    Germany MCI Offline
    The Layout ist just awesome!
    posted 13 years ago
  • Luketh%s's Photo
    United States Luketh Offline
    Yeah, good point Liam, it doesn't REALLY matter. Still, I'm standing by my earlier statement.. if it wasn't for Liam's contributions to FINISH the remaining bits (foliage, architecture, pathways, supporting rides, layout/support/station/queue tweaks, etc.) then we wouldn't be arguing over who should be getting a majority of the credit anyways.

    Awesome job to RRP on the concept and the LAYOUT. JESUS RAPTURE CHRIST THE LAYOUT! And Liam on whatever else.

    I actually remember downloading the original (unfinished) design and having the above orgasm when I saw the lovely layout. Not sure if I envisioned the surroundings Liampie gave the coaster when I first saw it, but hey! That's what makes the game an art-form I guess.. It's all 'bout perspective. Awesome job guys.
    posted 13 years ago
  • Dimi%s's Photo
    Belgium Dimi Offline
    Congratulations RRP and Liam, this is awesome. The supports were just crazy, the landscaping and foliage perfect as always. I'm not a big fan of the layout and the station roof, and maybe there could have been some more interesting stuff on the map, but that doesn't matter cause everything else is beautiful.
    posted 13 years ago
  • GameWorldLeader%s's Photo
    United States GameWorldLeader Offline
    this coasters really good and i found it really realistic, the coaster itself is about a 8 out of 10 and the scenery's a 9, only thing i though was a bummer was the coaster didn't seem smooth and flowing but besides that it is a definet awesome coaster, 8.5 / 10

    btw i found the entrance, lol 'pretend this isn't here'
    posted 13 years ago