General Chat / BOWL GAMES!

did i see the tv right? mizzou went from number one to not in a bowl game? wtf.

That's the #1 travesty of this year's BCS. I'll type an article about it later when I have some time. Should be VaTech vs Mizzou, not Kansas. KU will get destroyed in that game. I'm fairly certain of that (okay, maybe not destroyed as in lose by 30, but I think the Hokies should win solidly).

OSU vs LSU? OSU vs OU? Both would be great games. Both have their cases. I'd prefer OU, but I'm not heartbroken over it. Pyro, however, definitely has a case for being super pissed off. And lllinois is not Rose Bowl worthy IMO. However, I am terrified that USC may take them too lightly and play like they did against Stanford, Arizona, or Washington. If the Trojans beat themselves due to overconfidence, the Illini are good enough to beat us (because heck, if Stanford can do it, anyone except Notre Dame can... altho how the heck did the Cardinal lose to the Irish? *sigh* ).

Expect more from me later. I have pretty convinced ideas on what the final regular season rankings SHOULD have been, but I'll need to think them through carefully to make sure my argument flies straight.

Oh, and I will be rooting for Hawaii against Georgia. That has the potential to be a really, really fun game. And if the Bulldogs fold, then everything Pyro said about their being overrated will be right.

Just got back from San Antonio, what a trip. I got the pleasure of driving the whole time both ways, all 13 hours. Took a caravan of 8 other fans, one OU convert and the rest Mizzou fans. The way back was a lot more fun than the way down .

I am actually not upset about anything. We have played some very good games this year against great teams, and probably have the best wins out of anyone. We have the talent to match any of the other elite teams. However, we had some bad games too... enough to the point that I fully understand being left out.

I am actually very excited about the OU-West Virginia matchup, that is going to be a great game and I think just as exciting as the national championship. I also really like our chances in that game. West Virginia is essentially one dimensional and OU is stellar at stopping the run. Our linebackers are like the exact mold of what you want to stop their attack, Lofton is going to have a field day. So overall I am feeling very positive and excited about everything. Was just so happy to be able to see OU lifting up those Big XII trophies in person again.

This is the first time a team has one the Big XII in consecutive years and I was at both games. Another impressive stat, the Big XII has been around for 12 years and OU has won 5 of the championships, the next closest team is Texas and Nebraska with 2. Stoops has been at OU for 9 years, he has won all 5 of OU's... that is over 50%. None too shabby.

As for the other matchups... very disappointing. The NC and the Fiesta are great games. The Rose could be interesting, but will likely be a slaughter. Virginia Tech versus Kansas will actually be a good game on account of VT having no offense to speak of... but no interest what so ever. Hawaii versus Georgia is a flat out joke. All around, meh. I am kind of glad Mizzou did not make a BCS bowl, shut them up a little more. But I guess beating them for a second time this season would have handled that enough as is.

Don't forget FIU, that 38-19 win over North Texas was just enough to get them in a BCS bowl game and I expect the current error in the bowl selection announcement to be fixed soon. The losing streak is over, but even when we did lose those 23 games in a row, I think it was clear that we were just bidding our time laying in wait to destroy North Texas and give the orange bowl a proper send-off. So I will be pulling for FIU against Ohio State and hoping that my Golden Panthers can defeat the cheaters that beat UM in 2001 on a flag thrown 10 seconds after we won a 6th national championship by one of the countless few who try to deny UM it's due Glory.

Really tho, the FIU game was fun, when we won everyone acted like it was the national was the fans nearly rushed the field, the coach got a Gatoraid bath and our QB was carried off the field. To top it off I was engulfed by celebrating cheerleaders in the end

When I get the time I might post some pics. After the game I showed my Dad around the place from the field to the roof, I even got a chunk of grass

Hawaii versus Georgia is a flat out joke.

In which way? Cuz I really want to see if Hawaii is for real or not. Plus I have a whole bunch of friends from Hawaii, so there's vested interest there. The end of that HI/U-Dub game was really, really exciting.

Want to find out if Hawaii is for real. I can tell you right now, but I won't ruin the surprise. Could they pull off a Boise State? Sure. In case you haven't noticed I don't exactly hold Georgia in high esteem either. But come on... have you seen Hawaii play this year? Sure the Washington game was exciting, but that doesn't mean they are good. They played too close to too many bad teams. Away from the island, Hawaii always struggles. This one will be ugly. That said, I will be pulling for Hawaii. Not because I like the little guy or anything, I just don't like Georgia or the SEC and I think it would be funny.

VT was ranked #1 overall by computers...I did not expect that.

I don't expect Kansas to provide much competition.

Want to find out if Hawaii is for real. I can tell you right now, but I won't ruin the surprise. Could they pull off a Boise State? Sure. In case you haven't noticed I don't exactly hold Georgia in high esteem either. But come on... have you seen Hawaii play this year? Sure the Washington game was exciting, but that doesn't mean they are good. They played too close to too many bad teams. Away from the island, Hawaii always struggles. This one will be ugly. That said, I will be pulling for Hawaii. Not because I like the little guy or anything, I just don't like Georgia or the SEC and I think it would be funny.

Yeah, but they DID go undefeated this year, and because it was this year, that counts for something. Ya never know. I would favor Georgia, but I do think it'd be great if the Rainbow Warriors got the win.

Likewise, I will be cheering for WV over Oklahoma.

Anyway, LSU doesn't deserve a third chance. They've already blown it twice and now they're getting a third chance. Apparently, after Les Miles said that UGA shouln't go to the national championship because they didn't go to the SEC title game, everyone thought it was a really good line and just decided to run with it. Georgia was shut out of it from the beginning; public opinion turned against them early and LSU was practically predestined to go to the title game. All this occured despite the fact that there is no clear rule that a team must win a conference or play in the conference championship game to be in the title game.

And the Hawaii-UGA is obviously a joke. Hawaii has the 142nd highest strength of schedule and has beat Louisiana Tech and San Jose State in overtime and also beat Nevada by 2 points. Georgia will destroy Hawaii; it will not even be a contest.

^Get Fired Up! I would if I was a Georgia fan too...

Becky... lets mark September 2008.

For crying out loud...I'm just now figuring out what you meant here...I'm old, don't mind me. YES...and that will be awesome because both USC and OSU will be strong next year. Don't forget we were supposed to be 'rebuilding' this year and now we are in national championship...think about that for a sec...ok, I did...too scary.

VT was ranked #1 overall by computers...I did not expect that.

I don't expect Kansas to provide much competition.

Hmmm...that is weird. You guys played nobodies except you lost bigtime to LSU and played BC twice and split....what the heck...and I don't know about Kansas being a complete pushover for VT...maybe. You all did come on strong there at the end. I'll root for you, as I'll root for OK but I cannot root for USC, sorry Cork but I'm sure you will be rooting for LSU anyways and I'll also be rooting for every Big 10 team including Michigan and we better not all suck this year.

Actually, Becky, law of great hatred supercedes. I am rooting for OSU (*guh*... did I just type that???) for two reasons:
1. I hate LSU even more than I do OSU.
2. OSU winning is part of the whole "0.01% Chance USC gets a part of a split national championship via the AP" plan that includes OU losing, VaTech squeaking by Kansas rather than dominating them, USC beating the team that beat OSU that beat LSU, OSU beating LSU non-convincingly, and Hawaii beating Georgia.

A friend of mine said earlier that if OSU gets dominated again that they should be banned from National Championship games for the next ten years

But anyways, what do you guys think about Missouri missing out on all the BCS action? While I do think they deserved to get in over Kansas, I feel too indifferent about it to make a true argument for either side.

And for USC vs. Illinois, while I do hope it ends up being a close game, I do fear that we could see a ridiculously one sided matchup...

Edited by spiderman, 03 December 2007 - 11:21 PM.

I feel about as strongly that Mizzou should have gotten over Kansas as you do that Georgia is worth a damn.

USC vs Illinois can be a trap game; I hope we destroy them, but given how we've played inconsistently this year, I'm scared half to death that we'll end up pretending they're Stanford.

But anyways, what do you guys think about Missouri missing out on all the BCS action? While I do think they deserved to get in over Kansas, I feel too indifferent about it to make a true argument for either side.

I think it is hilarious. After putting up with all the idiotic arguments to support Mizzou last week, listening to every Mizzou fan rattle off how much better they thought they were than OU, how they gave the first game away... slapping them around in the conference championship felt so good. Them getting left out of the BCS was just the icing on the cake. Love it.

Wow, it is pure luck that this GARBAGE BCS System somehow managed to put the 2 most deserving teams into the national championship game. But the BCS still managed to screw up alot of other things, including putting Kansas in over Mizzou, ... and VT ranked over OU??? Not that that matters but that is just plain wrong. The Big 12 is sooo much better than the ACC.

If this sport doesn't come up with a playoff system soon, Im gonna ban college football from my television...not that that would solve anything, but this chaos is infuriating! (And Im a die hard CFB fan) At least one of my fav teams is in the game.... GO BUCKEYES!! ...oh, and I dont care how good it would be for the Big Ten, I will NOT be routing for Michigan in their bowl game *cough* becky *cough* (I will of course be routing for Ill and Penn St though)

Edited by ride_exchanger, 04 December 2007 - 09:04 AM.

Rooting.

Wow, it is pure luck that this GARBAGE BCS System somehow managed to put the 2 most deserving teams into the national championship game. But the BCS still managed to screw up alot of other things, including putting Kansas in over Mizzou, ... and VT ranked over OU??? Not that that matters but that is just plain wrong. The Big 12 is sooo much better than the ACC.

I'm gonna guess that VT got in over OU because VT's losses were to #2 LSU and then #2 (now #14) Boston College, whereas OU's losses were to unranked Texas Tech and Colorade. VT was also ranked #1 by the computers (now THAT I don't understand), which I guess helped them get to #3 in the BCS polls.

But you could just as easily argue for Oklahoma, as they did convincingly defeat then #1 Missouri just a week ago (and earlier in the year of course). But with the exception of Missouri, Oklahoma has played only one ranked team all year, so that could have also hurt them.

Since neither of them were #1 or #2, it shouldn't be THAT big of an issue, though.

You know, I have been thinking about the value of losing to high ranked teams... and I think losing to the top teams you play should hurt your record more than losing to unranked teams.

Look at Missouri, they beat all the teams that beat OU, they beat a highly ranked Kansas team, a decent ranked Illinois team, but could not beat OU. On the field, OU clearly proved twice they were the better team. Better athletes, better coaching, better team. But OU lost to two unranked teams. However, OU won all the big games. They beat Missouri twice, and beat Texas. If a team losses to an unranked team, it means they weren't focused or weren't playing at their full potential.

That is a problem, that shouldn't happen, and the team deserves to lose. However, that team is better than a team that losses the big games. Because if you lose the big games, it means you are not an elite team. You can be good, but most of your record means you are fattening up on cupcakes. When it comes down to crunch time, you fall through. That is why I think much less emphasis should be placed on who you lose to.

Wow, it is pure luck that this GARBAGE BCS System somehow managed to put the 2 most deserving teams into the national championship game. But the BCS still managed to screw up alot of other things, including putting Kansas in over Mizzou, ... and VT ranked over OU??? Not that that matters but that is just plain wrong. The Big 12 is sooo much better than the ACC.

If this sport doesn't come up with a playoff system soon, Im gonna ban college football from my television...not that that would solve anything, but this chaos is infuriating! (And Im a die hard CFB fan) At least one of my fav teams is in the game.... GO BUCKEYES!! ...oh, and I dont care how good it would be for the Big Ten, I will NOT be routing for Michigan in their bowl game *cough* becky *cough* (I will of course be routing for Ill and Penn St though)

you speak the truth... this whole BCS system is just a BS system to be honest... a playoff system should be set up to seperate the men from the boys and have the teams prove themselves on the field rather than through all this ranking nonsense

You know, I have been thinking about the value of losing to high ranked teams... and I think losing to the top teams you play should hurt your record more than losing to unranked teams.

Look at Missouri, they beat all the teams that beat OU, they beat a highly ranked Kansas team, a decent ranked Illinois team, but could not beat OU. On the field, OU clearly proved twice they were the better team. Better athletes, better coaching, better team. But OU lost to two unranked teams. However, OU won all the big games. They beat Missouri twice, and beat Texas. If a team losses to an unranked team, it means they weren't focused or weren't playing at their full potential.

That is a problem, that shouldn't happen, and the team deserves to lose. However, that team is better than a team that losses the big games. Because if you lose the big games, it means you are not an elite team. You can be good, but most of your record means you are fattening up on cupcakes. When it comes down to crunch time, you fall through. That is why I think much less emphasis should be placed on who you lose to.

You're assuming that most of the voters actually pay attention to the games intently and think critically before voting, rather than behaving like sheep.