News / NE Survey
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28-October 11
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Midnight Aurora
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This has never, ever been a good come back or insult. Ever. You look like a child.BTW...I'll have to pass on your offer but I do appreciate the loving terms of endearment
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Louis!
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See K0NG that's a much better explanation and done in a way that is actually constructive and not down right rude. I agree 100% with what you said there. I don't think they are all that mediocre but I do believe that they aren't what I know I can acchieve but with me, especially back then, I didn't want to hold on to anything, I wanted to release, release, release. That's my downfall. I'm working on it though, what with Batman still being built on 2 years down the line. Anywho, back to the main discussion.
I think tiered designs bring too many different categories to the table.
The way I see it though is that we have Design and Spotlight Design. The latter being done in the same voting precedure as spotlights. Once 80% or so is hit, people have the opportunity to be considered for spotlight design where you have to have at least 75% or so saying yes to spotlight.
What are people's thoughts on this concept? -
gir
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I like the idea, but I'm not so keen on the wording of "Spotlight Design." I feel like "Spotlight" should still be reserved for parks.
Master Design
Super Design
Platinum Design
???
Regardless, I think that having some sort of distinction is the best way forward for designs in order to recognize true quality. -
Cena
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Sounds like a basic idea of my version, but I will take it as a good compromise. 80% in scoring, and then 70 or 75% Yes score. If we only take 2 catagories, normal and the 80% thing, I would call it a Platinum Design, as Gir suggested. If we take 4 catagories, then what I suggested please. -
Roomie
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Personally I'm perfectly happy with the points system as it is. But I do like the idea of a slightly tiered design system. perhaps "Master Design" as gir suggested. -
RRP
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Instead of adding more complication to the system with more points,awards,tiers and coding.What about a much simpler system where the community votes if they like something or if they don't (thumbs up,thumbs down) and let the whole comunnity vote.
why?
While the current system allows people to compare releases based on how many points something recieved. Release A gets 90% release B gets 85% suggests that A is better than B according to the panel.This is rarely the case though. How often do the community really think something is 5% better than something else?
It's impossible for the panelists to vote a percentage on a release fairly with the ever increasing release standard.Even with a day or two in the viewing time, the votes vary with the small sample that decide the quality.
Are panelists going to rejudge previous releases in the future when score no way relates to current scoring?
Of course its all subjective viewing and voting. It's also subjective for the non panelists so how can you have a rating system that judges quality when non of the voting is accurate
- Simple good/bad voting means faster input
- Post release input gives more community interaction meaning more opinions on quality and a bigger opinion pool
- Quick input means more community input and feedback (not everyone wants to write a review on a release)
- Quality work still gains recognition (Featured/Most Appreciated)
- System can be used for all types of release (screens,park releases,object releases)
- Removes depreciation of votes over time (its good or bad/worth viewing)
samples
http://www.behance.net
http://dribbble.com -
RRP
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just a suggestion no thumbs would also work.blank submission would deserve a thumbs downwho would thumbs down a piece of work?
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chorkiel
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I think when you let everyone vote, what there is now would be gone.
The panelists are chosen for the reason that they should know what's quality and what not. Also what to judge parks on.
When you let the community judge you get the improfession of some people that vote a park down because they know someone they don't like made it. (K0NG could be a good example, since a lot of newcomers don't like him.)
The master/platinum design idea is a great idea, imo. -
RRP
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Im not suggesting giving the community a chance to use the current system.The current system doesnt work because its inconsistent over time. The parks that were voted high years ago would no doubt recieve lower scores if revoted on now yet thats what the system is for. To judge compared to a previous release.I think when you let everyone vote, what there is now would be gone.
The panelists are chosen for the reason that they should know what's quality and what not. Also what to judge parks on.
When you let the community judge you get the improfession of some people that vote a park down because they know someone they don't like made it. (K0NG could be a good example, since a lot of newcomers don't like him.)
The master/platinum design idea is a great idea, imo.
Park A that got 90% 2 years ago will not be as good as park B that gets 90% today but that vote will never change. Just look at panelists scores, a submission might get what it deserves but the idividual votes are all over the place.
With a good/not good system the current good submission would still get recognition,the greatest submission would still get recognition over time. A is 5% better than B is what needs removing.Individuals can't be trusted to vote in such detail.
Let the majority decide what they like.If its good, download/flag it.If its not,don't
As an example (sorry to single you out maverix)all 0% votes
http://www.nedesigns.../2001/the-lion/
http://www.nedesigns...2093/themovies/
http://www.nedesigns...amusement-park/
http://www.nedesigns...urbo-rush-park/
I know some of those were removed high/low vote but they are not all of an equal standard of 0% -
chorkiel
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But you have to think about the fact that people weren't as skilled, as they are now, 2 years ago.
So it kinda works.
Say Park A was state-of-the-art hacking work and themeing and everything and got 90% back then, he'd have gotten that because his work was above par for that time.
Park B is state-of-the-art hacking work and themeing and everything and gets 90% today, he'll get it because his work is above par for this time.
The voting shouldn't be seen as comparing but more as an opinion based on current views.
Just my 2 cents. -
posix
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RRP, I think the only difference this will do is to make the rct quality measure less accurate. You will probably disagree, but I consider all these score differences you cited perfectly reasonable and correct, and in fact I often agree with a +/- 5% difference when comparing parks.
I'm also not clear on why we want to avoid the time factor? Why is a two years old park having the same score as a new one a problem? I actually really like this effect how you can go back and see this was a park that really wowed people. Would you want the community to go and mass-down-vote legendary old parks because they may no longer be up to par, but just so the statistics are accurate to the latest state of art? That doesn't seem feasible or beneficial to me. I'm also not seeing why a like/dislike or, even worse, a like/thanks-for-ignoring-my-park system solves this. Park1 comes out, gets 100 likes, Park2 comes out 2 years later and also gets 100 likes. How's that different from both having 90%? -
RRP
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RRP, I think the only difference this will do is to make the rct quality measure less accurate. You will probably disagree, but I consider all these score differences you cited perfectly reasonable and correct, and in fact I often agree with a +/- 5% difference when comparing parks.
I'm also not clear on why we want to avoid the time factor? Why is a two years old park having the same score as a new one a problem? I actually really like this effect how you can go back and see this was a park that really wowed people. Would you want the community to go and mass-down-vote legendary old parks because they may no longer be up to par, but just so the statistics are accurate to the latest state of art? That doesn't seem feasible or beneficial to me. I'm also not seeing why a like/dislike or, even worse, a like/thanks-for-ignoring-my-park system solves this. Park1 comes out, gets 100 likes, Park2 comes out 2 years later and also gets 100 likes. How's that different from both having 90%?
I just don't think the quality measure works in the long run thats all. It's relevant at the voting time only like you said and doesn't show long term quality or what the community really think.
Isn't it better to have a more dynamic progressive system that involves the community more (more feedback that people want acording to the poll).
Trim the complicated system while you at it.We just want to see whats good,high quality work gets more feedback - see dump screens. 80% 2 years ago doesn't mean 80% now and revoting everything is out of the question.
Feature (motivation to build) whatevers good at the minute regardless of timestamp or content. If people think its great/relevant again 2 years later, feature it again (Some of the old spotlights are terrible yet still featured, some are not yet lost in the void) so the new users will find them.
Also im not suggesting that good/null vote sytem would be better than park A 80% vs park B 81% system. Im saying that park A 80% vs B 81% doesn't work, and that good/null=feature and a vs b wouldnt exist. -
K0NG
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Says who? I mean, what's not to like?(K0NG could be a good example, since a lot of newcomers don't like him.)
And MA...since I now look like a child, does it make me more attractive to you? (call me)
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posix
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RRP, sorry I never replied to this.
As I understand your post, you advocate for a filtering system that will, regardless of release date, always show the highest voted releases the site has to offer, and further, never terminate the voting process on a release, right? This would then mean to let the whole community vote at all times?
Two concerns:
- I would expect this to make the site more static, as changes of what's featured become rarer, and the dynamics you're arguing for are lost. It's very similar to just filtering the DB to a high score of say >80%. The release frequency then, if you neglect NEDC, is between 2-3 months. This is what you would be looking at when visiting the site. Not terribly dynamic?
- Are you okay with armies of new members devaluating old legendary parks? I feel you still haven't answered my question why a picture of a park's perceived quality, taken at the time when it was released, is a bad thing? -
posix
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mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>1.029
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:normal'> Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>5
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:normal'> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:black'>When there's a great park I want to open it in-game. Looking at
screens is not enough.
background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:right;line-height:normal'>
color:black'>Agree mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:black'>4.13
background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:right;line-height:normal'>
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>1.033
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:normal'> Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>11
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:normal'> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:black'>The above questions do not capture what really motivates me to
finish parks.
background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:right;line-height:normal'>
color:black'>Undecided mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:black'> 2.84
background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:right;line-height:normal'>
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>1.121
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:normal'> Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>7
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:normal'> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:black'>Winning the NE Design or NE Spotlight accolade motivates me to
finish parks.
background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:right;line-height:normal'>
color:black'>Agree mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:black'>3.67
background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:right;line-height:normal'>
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>1.190
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:normal'> Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>3
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:normal'> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:black'>Great screens are more entertaining than viewing the respective
park in-game.
background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:right;line-height:normal'>
color:black'>Disagree mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:black'> 2.48
background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:right;line-height:normal'>
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>1.223
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:normal'> Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>6
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:normal'> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:black'>Improving my current rank motivates me to finish parks.
background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:right;line-height:normal'>
color:black'>Undecided mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:black'>2.81
background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-bottom-themecolor:background1;mso-border-bottom-themeshade:217;
padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:right;line-height:normal'>
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:red'>1.273 "Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:1.0pt'>
6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:normal'> Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>8
mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;
mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:217;
mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
height:1.0pt'>
6.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:normal'> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:black'>Improving my hall of fame ranking motivates me to finish parks.
solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:
217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;
padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:right;line-height:normal'>
color:black'>Undecided mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:black'>3.07
solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;mso-border-top-themeshade:
217;mso-border-top-alt:solid #D9D9D9 .5pt;mso-border-top-themecolor:background1;
mso-border-top-themeshade:217;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;
padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:1.0pt'>
margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-align:right;line-height:normal'>
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:red'>1.305 "Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:black'>
I have done some analysis with the data at hand so far, which is N = 83.
1) I used the standard deviation as an indicator of mutual consent among replies. Q2 and Q4 have the lowest values
here, suggesting that people are quite clear they agree that
(a) logos should be a requirement for important releases. This question also has the highest mean answer of 4.41, further
strengthening the conclusion that people agree quite strongly here.
(b) NE accolades are useful indicators for RCT quality.
2) Interestingly, Q6 and Q8, the ones about motivation from current or HOF points, have the highest standard
deviations relative to the other questions, suggesting that there exist relatively diverse opinions in the community on this.
Some seem to be motivated by them, others do not. The means, consequently, orientate towards a value of 3.00. This finding
questions the effectiveness of the points.
3) Q5 has the second highest mean, suggesting that the majority of people agree that looking at screens is not enough
and a good looking park is better opened to see in-game. This matches the mean of Q3, which is the lowest of all questions,
suggesting that on average, people disagree that great screens are more entertaining than looking at a park in-game, the
opposite sense of Q5. I asked for the same info from both perspectives to test people's clarity on the issue, and indeed you
guys passed.
Interesting stuff. Might have a few more of these soon. -
RRP
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I'm suggesting that the filtering system have multiple time scales. daily/weekly/monthly/all time? of all releases not just finished work.Basically exactly how behance,dribbble etc work with the focus on recent. What the forums are used for now but as the main part of the site. I agree the all time voting would remain fairly static but there would at least be a possibility for opinions to be shown over time.RRP, sorry I never replied to this.
As I understand your post, you advocate for a filtering system that will, regardless of release date, always show the highest voted releases the site has to offer, and further, never terminate the voting process on a release, right? This would then mean to let the whole community vote at all times?
Two concerns:
- I would expect this to make the site more static, as changes of what's featured become rarer, and the dynamics you're arguing for are lost. It's very similar to just filtering the DB to a high score of say >80%. The release frequency then, if you neglect NEDC, is between 2-3 months. This is what you would be looking at when visiting the site. Not terribly dynamic?
- Are you okay with armies of new members devaluating old legendary parks? I feel you still haven't answered my question why a picture of a park's perceived quality, taken at the time when it was released, is a bad thing?
As for new members devaluing old work.Why not? I don't think ive ever come across a lot of new members thinking an old park isn't up to today's standards. If they did, then the old community will probably agree with them. Old crap usually just gets impartially labelled as nostalgic. -
gir
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Just a few thoughts...
behance and dribble work because it's simple to look at something straightaway and make a judgement, and there's also a sizable community to do so. I'm not trying to take a dig at the way people view art, as obviously it's more complicated that that, but my point is that RCT parks require you to download a file, possibly unzip something, optionally read a readme, open up RCT, and pour over every square of the park. Only then can you form an opinion that has any value (and one that is worthy of being considered by a review panel). Not to mention the fact that not everyone owns both LL and RCT2, so you automatically have a bias towards RCT2 because more people own it. And to be honest, I don't think the total active community is large enough to handle such a system anyway. -
tyandor
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The only small problem I have with the current system is the link between the quality vs quantity. Let me explain.
When you get to judge park I want to judge it on the quality of the park and the achievement it represents. The problem is however if a park has superb quality but 'lacks' the unwritten size rules. To me gold/silver/bronze is about the quality, but you simply can't give gold to a gold quality park if it is a smaller entry for the simple fairness towards the other gold winners who did make a full blown park.
A little tiering in the designs wouldn't hurt either (like gold/silver/bronze design)
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