General Chat / Kill Bill

It was so fun to read, why stop?

I was enjoying seeing cg? being rippped apart.

I was enjoying seeing cg? being rippped apart.

If you consider laughing at paragraph after paragraph, post after post, page after page, of mindless collegiate bullshit being “ripped apart,” then yes - I quite enjoyed that as well.

Sure cg, whatever makes you feel good about yourself. Existentialism doesn't exist. Modernism is a deceit. Popular culture is made up by intellectuals. The French New Wave directors made movies about movies but don't think for a second that has any other significance! You'd be a mindless peon like me if you thought that film movements actually have a historical context which motivates them. And whatever you do, don't critisize a film because of it's cultural implications. Only stuffy film snobs would dare to NOT LIKE a popular film. That's pure lunacy. I'm just throwing around big words without any meanings to make myself look cool, and you sir are the savior of society. I know you don't want to be a hypocrite because only collegiate bullshitters are hypocrites. That's why you're going to quit school tomorrow and go work at Burger King. Or maybe you'll just get on your bike and ride out into the world seeking to find your way. And although you wouldn't be the first person to do this, you would in no way be connected to anybody else. Because all of those bullshit terms like meritocracy, inequality, and capitalism are made up to fill textbooks.

Come on cg, I know you're smarter than that.

bwahahah!
I love sardonically condenscending rants

blitz, it's just one of cg?'s shit battles he didn't win.

nono, I'm talking about ed's post.
and yeah, cg "lost" this one. I laugh at his misfortune.

Ed. A recent edition of Newsweek International had an interview with Tarantino which you'd probably find interesting.
He describes Kill Bill Volume One as... When you're a kid, and you want to watch a movie, you just want "the good parts". Which is what you get with Volume One.

Anyway, Ed, I find it curious that everything you mention as being "bad" about Kill Bill was actually intentional. It's meant to be a nonstop homage to the shit that Quentin fellow is a big fan of. It's meant to be style over substance. That's kind of the fucking point.
Example. I hated The Matrix. I loved The Matrix Reloaded. See, the latter didn't even pretend to be a proper film. It was nothing more than action-pornography packaged in an inconsequential zen wrapping. It was a fucking masterpiece, man.

You're basing your negative opinion on Kill Bill upon your distaste for the way it's been reviewed, not for what it actually is - Quentin Tarantino Does The Takeshi Miike Thing. Which is, like, stupid, and shit.
Besides of all that, all the reviews I've read of it have either slated it, or given it an average reception. No one's calling it an "important" movie. Maybe the "praise" you refer to comes from dumbfucks who base their opinion of the movie on Quentin Tarantino's cool reputation, as opposed to the what the movie actually is - Quentin Tarantino Does The Teenage Masturbation Thing. And if the opinions of those people bother you, you serously need to sort yourself the fuck out.
Kill Bill does what it says on the tin. Superbly. But if you're going to nuke lemons because they don't taste like apples even if I said they do, knock yourself out. I hope you faint.

Otherwise, I agree with pretty much everything vTd has said in this thread - every single one of his posts in here had me nodding my head, and shit.
(Especially because he digs Jackie Brown and thinks Resevoir Dogs is Quentin's worste)
Man. I wouldn't mind digging Jackie Bro...

The only thing I like about old QT, however, is the dialogue he writes. It's fucking genius. He has a style which is somewhat like Kevin Smith's but much better. Watching Pulp Fiction for the first time, and hearing all that shit about hamburgers in Europe and whether or not a foot-massage is a sexual act had me cumming like crazy.That's probably why I think Pulp Fiction is the best - it had more hilariously pointless converstaion than any other of his movies.
Too bad Kill Bill lacked it.

Anyway.
Time for the Ed-bashing.

[quote]I just wish Tarantinto would devote his time and talent on a project that actually matters instead of furthering the cult of postmodern chic.[/quote]
Who are you to say what matters and what doesn't? I mean, you seem to be pretentiously insinuating that every movie should be a philosophical eye-opener, or something.
What the fuck.
Of course, you did say that Tarantino shouldn't be making films like Kill Bill. Fair enough. But people should take their creativity in any angle they choose - you may not like the end product, but you don't have a right to say, "Well, shit, you shouldn't be doing that. You should be doing this."
Or maybe I'm just stupid and tolerant.
[quote]What I'm arguing with is the fact that critics and audiences have elevated Tarantino as a great filmmaker.[/quote]
Why do you give a shit? Because you're superior and know better? Because your opinions are more valid than theirs? Shall we start calling you "Gardner Junior", now?
"Hey. That was a fun movie. But everyone loves it. So, just to be cool, I'll endlessly rant about how I dislike it."
Wow, Ed. You're fucking enlightening. There's millions of dipshits who think like this. I never thought you'd be so eager to join their ranks of stupidnessness.
[quote]What you know about TV, popular music, movies, and similar cultural capitol defines your place in this society.[/quote]
It does? What culture are you living in? Or are you just filtering what you see through snob-tinted glasses (haha. I'm hilarious.)?
I rarely watch TV anymore. I don't listen to popular music. I don't a fucking thing about half the movies that are out at the moment.
No one looks down on me for it. People don't spend their entire lives disucssing popular fucking culture. Not where I live. Where the fuck are you writing from, Ed?
[quote] Knowing key details of a popular sitcom from 10 years ago will gain you more respect than analyzing the significance of the Peloponnesian War on early philosophy.[/quote]
I see.
Well, gee, MisanthropistEd. You sure seem to think people are stupid. Do you have any basis for any of this whiney shit, or do you just make it up to convince yourself you're above everyone else?
Perhaps if you spent less time studying people from a distance, reading dictionaries religiously and trying to pass yourself off as the new Camus, and actually talking to the "stupid masses" you might think otherwise.
But hey. You're just better than everyone.
[quote]I find it very distressing that I live in a culture that elevates Kill Bill as a brilliant movie.[/quote]
Boo fucking hoo. Who cares about the IMF privatising water supplies in third world countries for the benefits of certain corporations when you have to suffer the FUCKING INJUSTICE of KILL BILL being called a BRILLIANT MOVIE?
Man. No one should suffer to live in a society where people have different tastes and opinions. That's just, like, Hell, or some shit.
[quote]I don't want to be condescending. I don't want to be pretentious, but I don't want to be ignorant either[/quote]
Oh, Ed. Your stupidity knows no bounds.
As I was telling that QOTSA in a private message earlier, pretentiousness is indictive of ignorance.
People who think they're clever are usually fucking idiots.
You're pretentious. You're condescending. Worst of all, you seem to think you're some sort of genius.
Face it, Ed. You write huge, humourless posts using all manner of big words. You come across as a pompous fuckhead. I have told you this before.
But why listen when you can remain ignorant?
See, there is a difference between intelligence and wisdom. Phil is the most intelligent and wise member of these boards. Notice how he never gets any credit for it?
That's because he doesn't write mammoth posts littered with big words in a half-assed bid to look clever. Too bad a lot of people fall for it.
See, Phil is wise. You just know things.
Information is fucking useless unless it's used as a tool for self-improvement or understanding.
Disconnect from the society you clearly dispise for a moment, turn off your fucking TV, and sit in an unstimulated moment of reflection and pray for a fucking epiphany.
Why do you say the things you say, in the way you say them?
You do provide some sort of answer...
[quote] And what good are opinions for if you don't share them?[/quote]
Being opinionated isn't a good thing to be. Ever see the O'Reilly Factor?
What makes you think your opinion is worth sharing?
Isn't it arrogant to assume people need to hear your opinions?
I'm sure you'll know. Arrogance is something you're very familiar with.
I never express opinions in real life, and very rarely do I do it over the internet anymore. Hey, I'm doing it now, sure.
Listening has far more worth than speaking.
When I speak, I do it to crack a joke.
Reason: I have nothing worthwhile to say.
At least, nothing that hasn't been said before.
This is logical.
People don't need to hear my opinions.
Chances are, you're no different.
Don't be a fucking Radu, man. At the moment, you're no different than he is, comeplete with delusions of grandeour.

[quote]... but it seems from your comments sometimes that this is hard to understand...[/quote]
Golly, Uncle Ed! Do you think you can be any more patronising?
[quote] I think rational discussion is undervalued in our society.[/quote]
There is nothing to discuss. Ranting on about the existence of existensialism in French New Wave cinema is hardly going to change the fucking world.
Get some perspective.
[quote]What is so wrong with thinking?[/quote]
You're not thinking - you're speaking. You can't do both at the same time, I've discovered. People need to learn the value of silence and shut the fuck up for a moment.
[quote] Stop being so full of yourself.[/quote]
I actually cracked the fuck up on this one. This is coming from the most pompous windbag on the whole fucking forum. I know I mock the shit out of Gardner for the shit he says, but, honestly, Ed, look at your member title. When it comes to arrogance, you have him beat. By a fucking mile.
[quote]Don't blame me bcause you're too afraid to think for yourself.[/quote]
Okay, Einstein.
[quote]Knowledge can be painful but I've accepted that and while ignorance may be bliss, choosing knowledge over ignorance is an ethical obligation. But nevermind. I don't expect you to understand that anyway.[/quote]
"Knowledge can be painful, but I've accepted that and while ignorance may be bliss, choosing knowledge over ignorance is an ethical obligation"
Whoa. Holy shit, man. That's fucking deep. Like, piss-puddle deep. I'll you what, though. Didn't that one movie, The Matrix, have the same message?
Yeah, that's right. I think it did. How radical, man.
Dude. I think I'm growing some pubes.
"But nevermind. I don't expect you to understand that anyway."
Oh, yes. I forget. You're like, beyond the level of human comprehension, and shit. Far out.
Seriously, Ed. Get over yourself. You're no smarter than the average NewElement member. Perhaps if you spent a little less time admiring your reflection in the lake, you'd actually get some real thinking done.
You're trying, though. I appreaciate that much. Try harder. Dig deeper before you start writing your speech for the Nobel Prize.
[quote] You're too busy staking your claim on what is hip to care about what actually matters.[/quote]
And what matters, Ed? I'm dying to know! What's important? What gives you a boner?
Probably only shit that gratifies your ego.
Don't get me wrong though. I'm sure that metaphysical stuff is, like, really important, and stuff.
[quote]Somebody has to take the other point of view and as a general rule I find that the minority opinion is commonly the better one.[/quote]
Way to go, noncomformo-man!
Seriously. Matrix-philosophy, noncomformist attitude. You're a regular teenager, Ed. Just slightly older.
Dude. I think I'm growing some pubes.
[quote]Sure cg, whatever makes you feel good about yourself. Existentialism doesn't exist. Modernism is a deceit. Popular culture is made up by intellectuals. The French New Wave directors made movies about movies but don't think for a second that has any other significance! You'd be a mindless peon like me if you thought that film movements actually have a historical context which motivates them. And whatever you do, don't critisize a film because of it's cultural implications. Only stuffy film snobs would dare to NOT LIKE a popular film. That's pure lunacy. I'm just throwing around big words without any meanings to make myself look cool, and you sir are the savior of society. I know you don't want to be a hypocrite because only collegiate bullshitters are hypocrites. That's why you're going to quit school tomorrow and go work at Burger King. Or maybe you'll just get on your bike and ride out into the world seeking to find your way. And although you wouldn't be the first person to do this, you would in no way be connected to anybody else. Because all of those bullshit terms like meritocracy, inequality, and capitalism are made up to fill textbooks.[/quote]
You suck at sarcasm. Give me a few days. I'll show you have it's done.
If only that Ty bastard would sign on.


Time for today's final thought: The Devil got thrown out of Heaven because he ordered a blow-up doll version of himself from Amsterdam and proceeded to fuck it daily.

I rarely watch TV anymore. I don't listen to popular music. I don't a fucking thing about half the movies that are out at the moment.
No one looks down on me for it.

I do.
You suck.
Yes, you suck.
SUCK SUCK SUCK
Go back to your "thinking." Your "speaking" can fucking blow me.
I hated it.
It wasn't funny, like usual.
I didn't agree.
You've lost your touch, Git.
(And what the fuck is "7"?)
(And who the fuck cares?)


What a waste of time.

Of course you didn't agree.
Half this forum sucks on CoasterEd's cock-a-doodle-doo-a-doodle-doo-a-doodle-doo-a-doodle-doo-a-doodle-doo-a-doodle-doo, just like half of Danimation offers Radu handjobs. Because, you see, people who try to act all clever and shit are respected. And shit.
I'll tell you what, though:
Fuck you.

Man, I'm good.

Man, I'm good.

You suck.

And you have cooties.

I was waiting for you to make your presence known. And you're absolutely right, I am a pompous ass. It's pretty sad that I needed you to tell me that, but I can admit when I'm wrong. I still don't like Kill Bill but I guess that just means I've lost my connection to innocence. When I was younger I probably would have enjoyed it. I tend to blame everything else for my own despair and so I think society is at fault for my inability to find joy in simple things. I find it easy to believe that but I'm probably just fooling myself. In any case, I appreciate it that you would spend that much time on my behalf and I'm sure the rest of the community is enjoying your presence once again. I think I'll take your advice and reflect on my own insecurities for a bit. And since I'm so bad at sarcasm I'd better state clearly that none of what I just said was sarcasm. I mean it sincerely.

I was waiting for you to make your presence known. And you're absolutely right, I am a pompous ass. It's pretty sad that I needed you to tell me that, but I can admit when I'm wrong. I still don't like Kill Bill but I guess that just means I've lost my connection to innocence. When I was younger I probably would have enjoyed it. I tend to blame everything else for my own despair and so I think society is at fault for my inability to find joy in simple things. I find it easy to believe that but I'm probably just fooling myself. In any case, I appreciate it that you would spend that much time on my behalf and I'm sure the rest of the community is enjoying your presence once again. I think I'll take your advice and reflect on my own insecurities for a bit. And since I'm so bad at sarcasm I'd better state clearly that none of what I just said was sarcasm. I mean it sincerely.

Now, see, that's just mean.

I take it this is the part where we stop thinking?

I know you want to argue more. But I thought I was Socrates and it turns out I'm Euthyphro. The arguement doesn't work anymore if Euthyphro realizes he is the lesser intellect. So I have no choice but to throw in the towel. Don't feel too bad, I've already given you quite a lot to be amused about. Now I've got my own crises of identity to deal with but that's good. I'm glad somebody stopped me before I got even more out of control.

Stranded at the intersection of understanding and total insanity.

I don't doubt that for a second.

I know you want to argue more. But I thought I was Socrates and it turns out I'm Euthyphro. The arguement doesn't work anymore if Euthyphro realizes he is the lesser intellect. So I have no choice but to throw in the towel. Don't feel too bad, I've already given you quite a lot to be amused about. Now I've got my own crises of identity to deal with but that's good. I'm glad somebody stopped me before I got even more out of control.

Stop it.

Yeah it's probably about time this topic was moved to "The Troubled Crowd".

No, when I read a novel I want to read a good novel. Art shouldn't be picked apart, creativty shouldn't be reduced into little more than an intellectual exercise - the more you deconstruct art, the more you destroy it.

I know this first hand, at one point I felt exactly the same way as you. However, I eventually discovered that just sitting down and experiencing, say, 'Eyes Wide Shut' is infinetly more enjoyable than trying to figure out what it all means.

Trust me on that one... okay?

Fucking Amen!

God! I've been trying to put that into intelligble words forever

Different people have different expectations when they read books. Any book which meets or exceeds your expectations, whether they be entertainment, enlightenment, or anything else, is a good book. The same person may even have different expectations for different books. So yeah, you're welcome to enjoy books however you want to of course. Same for everyone else. And if you like something, it doesn't matter whether anyone else likes it or not.