General Chat / Bush after the Iraq war

umm Mike Robbins, they are footage photos from Al-Jazeera, when the war was breaking out (i've got international satellite). I don't think they were lying when you see half the building was blown the shit by a cruise missle. It could not have been terrorist activity because it would of costed them too much to blow up an Apartment building filled with families so what would the motive be to kill their kin?
A lot of photos were taken in the Iraqi hospitals, primarily in Felluga and Baghdad, were a people were getting rushed in becasue of all the bomb explosions.
Al Jazeera also was the only one to have put on American troops "being embarressed" by their captors on TV. it can be taken however vice versa seeing 4000 conscripts walking the deserts, and going home to see look at your fathers face and tell him "I gave up for you" by giving up your country.

Here's another thing, after 5 cruise missle attacks failed to callapse the Information Agency in Baghdad, with it finally callapsing in by the B2 Bomber raid. Why was it needed to be destroyed if the entire building was evacuated (as ordered by one of Saddam's henchmen on the TV, as he ordered anyone working in government buildings)?
By the way if you don't know Information Agency, is like the CIA and FBI for America.

This is really where it crossed the line for me, and the funniest part was when you saw all those children waving their hands in the air towards the American "liberators" look at the way they placed their index finger. If you knew Arab culture it means "Fuck off" which was a hoot for me when the CNN was talking about the "enthuastic crowds, gathered around the American".

You got the guns, they don't. they smile in your face by day and launch RPG off their toyota by night.
you got the leaders, which is a good thing, but you also had put them in the first place, you even collaborated with them.
This 'little' war is far from over as i see it.

^ what john said, is exactly my point, the point for the entire thing was to rid him of WMD's, but in the true fact he was, as the British say "a paper tiger" no threat at all, not even to Iran or Syria. As the Iraqi's cheered of Saddam's capture, they faced the embarrsement of not getting him "the Iraqi's" then the Americans. You've shoved Democracy as their only choice, and you've started up the Wasp's nest of the Middle East, your in deeper shit now than before the war. Even as Bush's buddies pay off the Japanese Adminastration to send troops "for the FIRST time since WWII!" in Iraq, all the while Ukrainian headquarters had to be moved because half the building was demolished by a bomb truck that rammed into it.

anyways thats all i got to say.

Well, I'd just say that if you don't like what the US does or who the president is, move to England!

Or, Canada.... But, who'd want to move there, anyway?

But really, no matter how much you protest or go against what the president chooses for this country, he isn't changing anything.

So, your silly little protests against the war and Bush don't mean anything, really.

I really do hope that Bush is happy for what he's achieved, but what about all the negatives? What about those people that died? Do they matter? Apparently not very much, because the killing of thousands justifies a meaningless war? But either way, if I'm happy or unhappy, he fucked up peoples' lives in America and in Iraq. Those who died from the bombs during the war obviously survived Saddam, and for what? To be killed by those who are supposed to be bringing them freedom from this terrible oppression by a tyrant? The irony is really quite astounding. And those that went into the war thinking they were ridding the world of Saddam's supposed weapons, were their deaths justified if the "cause" of war has yet to be found? Each one of those people is a negative effect of the war. Each person had something unique and different to bring to the world, and all those children hadn't even developed to their potentials. But, we won't know what they could have done for us now that they are gone. And this is all for what?

It's stupid.

I really do hope that Bush is happy for what he's achieved, but what about all the negatives? What about those people that died? Do they matter? Apparently not very much, because the killing of thousands justifies a meaningless war? But either way, if I'm happy or unhappy, he fucked up peoples' lives in America and in Iraq. Those who died from the bombs during the war obviously survived Saddam, and for what? To be killed by those who are supposed to be bringing them freedom from this terrible oppression by a tyrant? The irony is really quite astounding. And those that went into the war thinking they were ridding the world of Saddam's supposed weapons, were their deaths justified if the "cause" of war has yet to be found? Each one of those people is a negative effect of the war. Each person had something unique and different to bring to the world, and all those children hadn't even developed to their potentials. But, we won't know what they could have done for us now that they are gone. And this is all for what?

wow... You arn't on a debating team... Are you?


You bring up so many valid points in this arguement, its really quite scary that someone your age is so intelligent.

No debating for me. Although, I've been semi-interested in it. I've always been good at getting angry at people.

Yes, Clinton screwed around on his wife and lied about it. To everyone. Does that make him a shmuck? Absolutely. Should he have been impeached for it? Probably not. Was he a bad president? Probably (truthfully there really haven't been any GOOD ones as long as I can remember anyway). However, he DID NOT lead a country, imperialistically, unilaterally, and against the will of least half the people of this country, into an unprovoked war, to overhtrow a threat which did not exist in the first place. Cavalier "cowboy-ism" will be the end of this country. Once the EU and, natch, the rest of the world wake up, America is fucked. Having just gotten back from Europe, I will tell you that the "love Americans" attitudes once fostered by much of Germany and even the other western countires (except for France; they'll never like us) is going away fast. If you really think about it, if the rest of the world decided to "end this imperialist regime", the US would have no choice but to nuke the planet, seeing as how their armed forces cannot compete against the sheer man power of a military like say CHINA, whose service is NOT voluntary.

And whomever said that I was talking about Snow...sorry wrong guy. I meant several of the others in his cabinet that were ousted within the first 120 days of his term. Guess I don't lose, as you so eloquently put it. Not that I was trying to win anything. Sadly, this whole issue has ripped this country a new asshole, and divided us as a nation, perhaps beyond repair.

Oh wait, I don't give a shit about any of it....I'm a registered Libertarian

i'm sorry that you disagree with me

^ umm that was un-called for Pym. you went from "welcome to the end of the world" joke to that one. (i know i know, the topic i wrote, but you could of just said libertarian dosent care not because he's gay)

yeah, China isn't a voluntary Army, but here's a little fact i learned. Mao Zedong, believe that China needed to be more active in sports, and while it does play and win gold medals in the Olympics. Every man and woman who is in Middle School through High School will recieve SOME amount of military training, along with the class is the "revolution history" class which is basically... propganda brainwash. none the less Chinese soldiers are not actually FORCED into the armed forces rather they are encouraged, yes i believe that their are some who don't want to be in the armed forces and they are the folks taht score high on the state test's and become Chinese state busnissmen, or a paper pusher in the government. Iraq on the other hand, forced 20 years olds in the military forces, put them in some old 40's green mechanic jumpsuit and gave them AN-95 rifle, with some training in running, camo, and shooting, and don't think taht is "ooh wow, training" its a short class, lasting about one month i believe.

just a little fact... gone off topic i know but back on.

Well, I'd just say that if you don't like what the US does or who the president is, move to England!

Or, Canada....  But, who'd want to move there, anyway?

But really, no matter how much you protest or go against what the president chooses for this country, he isn't changing anything.

So, your silly little protests against the war and Bush don't mean anything, really.

I can't beleive this taxation without representation crap!

Oh, don't worry about it. Your silly little protests don't mean anything. He's the king!



Um, well, I agree with John...
And what does Bush's homophobia have to do with anything?

Clinton lied about a blowjob.
Bush made up a case for a war.

Which matters more?

Pym, you are are being disgustingly ignorant to the entire thing. This has absolutely nothing to do with Bush's support of gays. Which, by the way, would be influenced by his religion. And if you really want to push that, why should anyone with a religious affiliation be chosen for office? Their personal beliefs would influence any type of law, like same-sex marriages, from being passed if they personally believe it to be wrong. What about the separation of church and state? How should their personal belief hinder the American citizens who are gay from recieving the same benefits of married couples?

You know Pym, I actually liked you until that stupid little fart popped out of your mouth, in the form of written text.

Bite Me!

politics suck anyhow

Pym, you are are being disgustingly ignorant to the entire thing. This has absolutely nothing to do with Bush's support of gays. Which, by the way, would be influenced by his religion. And if you really want to push that, why should anyone with a religious affiliation be chosen for office? Their personal beliefs would influence any type of law, like same-sex marriages, from being passed if they personally believe it to be wrong. What about the separation of church and state? How should their personal belief hinder the American citizens who are gay from recieving the same benefits of married couples?

I agree that pym is an idiot in this thread, I disagree that religious people should be banned from office.

bush=lying some of pig.

Republicans tend to be moral-less bigoted money grubbing hypocrits, and democrats tend to be cluelessy self-righteous and economically inept floozies.

which is pretty damn obvious since rightwing, by definition, focuses on economic freedom and stricter moral leanings... while leftwing, by definition, concentrates on personal freedoms and controlled economy. This isn't always the case, but it is the general consesus.

So all of you lose... cept that guy who said he was libertarian, who was DQ'ed by default anyway.

I say all this because it doesn't matter if someone is republican or democrat here, what they do in their stay in office is what's important, and bush is sack of crap for going to war on a bullocks excuse that americans only bought because our towers fell. Thats the bottom line.

It's sad that Bush will win because he caught saddam, it just goes to show how fickle people are... I do however agree with the moon thing, even if he's only using it to further push the minds of americans away from his lies and indiscretions.

And, is it me, or have we been getting really pathetic elections in recent years? When you can't decide on who to vote for, because they are both so BAD, I think it's time to reflect.

Don't know why I bother posting politics around here, it really is a waste of time. Guess I'm bored and useless.

No religious people should NOT be banned from office. I feel genuinely sorry for anyone who does not have faith, be it any kind.

That faith should not and CANNOT dictate the practical laws of a countrys' people. That would basically be mandating a specific religious code to all who inhabit it, and then that just opens up a whole pandora's box of gooey worms.

is meretrix gay or something?

lets get back on topic, before this goes too far.

*poof*

...or something