General Chat / Subtle Cultural Variety

Chorkiel, that's the most bourgeoisie thing I've ever read.

I'd like a system where waiters are paid less and more dependent on tips. That way they have to work harder / be more enjoyable people resulting in better service. It would need to be common courtesy to tip though and I'm pretty sure Dutch people are generally too greedy for that.

 

 

I think you underestimate their job and the hardness of their job. I don't doubt they already work hard, of course you can always meet a grumpy waiter but anyone can have a bad day. And you can always complain to their boss or mention in a review. If service is poor, I'm sure they will lose clients and the problem will solve itself. 

 

Chorkkiel, wouldn't it feel weird to be serviced by someone who can't live from their job and has to hope you tip them enough?! That feeling always makes me sad. Someone who works should earn enough to live from. If they give you really good service, and you tip, that's a bonus for them. 

Oh wow. Wouldn't say you misinterpreted what I wrote, but it's not as extreme as it came off.

 

As far as I'm aware, minimum wage in America is lower for waiters, therefore the prices in restaurants are lower. When I was there I paid as much or even more than what I pay here in a restaurant because my service was great. When I had a horrible waitress we barely tipped.

 

Obviously people should be paid a normal minimum wage, but if their salaries are lower and they have to feed off more from tips I'm sure they'll work harder. It's a bit hypocritical, I'll have to admit, as I would be greatly annoyed if that would be a thing in other service industries like barbers.

 

Saying that complaining to their boss or mention it in a review doesn't directly make it better for me. At that point I've paid for subpar food/service. It also seems a bit petty, tbh.

 

Also, Fred, if a waiter has a bad day they kind of should just eat it up. I don't go to restaurants to see unpleasant people. I guess that's also part of their job. That goes for everyone in a people-to-people industry.

Money should never be the (main) incentive to work harder/be a more pleasant person.

Money should never be the (main) incentive to work harder/be a more pleasant person.

  How Kantian of you

As far as I know the US system is that waiters have lower wages but get compensated by tips, which are usually divided evenly between all the waiters there that night. Usually they get paid more than min wage as a result, especially if they work at an expensive restaurant. Never heard someone complain about it, untill now... If you don't like it, then don't be a waiter, not that hard.


If you don't tip in America you get put on the News and people call for your death.

There was a well known football player a few years ago who left like a 20 cent tip on a 61 dollar bill, and people basic said that he should be kicked off the team and put in prison for the rest of his life.

I can't remember a time that I didn't tip, though I've never had genuinely bad service that I can think of either.

As an employee, I'd rather want the certainty of a wage that is enough to live from than living from tips. Saying they don't have to become a waiter is quite ignorant, some people have no choice. Not everyone has a degree and it's work that has to be done, or who else would wait you.

 

Chorkiel, can we use that system for CEO's and politicians as well then?! Put them on minimum wage and let's see how hard they will work... Why is it always the low class that should "work hard", "work for their money", etc? 

 

And Chorkiel, believe me, I work retail and started to hate people. Of course, you have to be friendly. But I'm only human too. If I have problems or what so ever in my life, don't expect me to put on a smile like a masker. Doesn't mean I can't be friendly for customers, but I'm not actor. Also, you only need 2 or 3 rude people to fuck up your day. 

 Never heard someone complain about it, untill now... If you don't like it, then don't be a waiter, not that hard..

 

 

people complain about it constantly. especially groups like minorities who are stuck doing below minimum wage work.

 

and don't be a waiter, its not that hard? really? you should realise that some folk do not have the privilege of just getting a different job. a ludicrous amount of people are hovering dangerously around the poverty line working multiple jobs to make ends meet (again, minority groups make a huge part of this).

I don't think there is anyone on the planet who's only job choice is being waiter. Unless of course they live in a town where the only place of employment is a restaurant and they've only got opening at waiter. Plus, waiting jobs are usually really hard to find just due to the fact that you often get paid more than the min wage, and it's slightly above most minimum wage jobs in terms of "prestige" of whatever you want to call it. But like I said, unless your completely incompetent, you get your tips. I'm mearly saying that if you don't like the tipping system, then your free to get a different job, but at the same time I don't understand why you wouldn't like getting paid extra.

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Look, you either get paid the minimum wage or you get more, it's not like if you have a bad night your not going to get paid anything. Besides, if you consistently don't get tips on your tables, most likely you'll be fired anyways.

You guys are just a bunch of commies, admit it, lol.

I don't think there is anyone on the planet who's only job choice is being waiter. Unless of course they live in a town where the only place of employment is a restaurant and they've only got opening at waiter. Plus, waiting jobs are usually really hard to find just due to the fact that you often get paid more than the min wage, and it's slightly above most minimum wage jobs in terms of "prestige" of whatever you want to call it.

You guys are just a bunch of commies, admit it.

 

 

There are people who's job is only being a waiter. Here in Belgium it is possible thanks to minimum wage. No one should be doing more than 1 full time job to be able to live. No one. People don't live to work, they work to live. 

 

And yes, I'm a proud socialist. Or communist if you want to call it that. It's really sad how far the capitalist propaganda has gone into the minds of some people. All the rich are earning money on our backs, and we keep that system alive... Because the one group that won't profit from a minimum wage were people are able to live from, are the rich. The smallest group. And still, we are protecting their asses for them, instead of creating an honest system which anyone can benefit.

Apparently, we're commies for expecting people to be paid a decent wage. So people are tipping because you feel horrible that the government refuses to pay you what someone at McDonalds makes? Why aren’t they tipped? They’re doing almost the same thing.

The semantics of tipping for any service is always debatable to the point where it's viturally moot. You either believe in tipping, or you don't. Just ask Steve Buscemi.

I tip delivery guys and wait staff usually well, because it's just the accepted thing. However, if I were to get a coffee and there's a tip jar I probably wouldn't tip. However, that's usually because I never carry cash. It's actually incredibly interesting when you think about it.

There are people who's job is only being a waiter. Here in Belgium it is possible thanks to minimum wage. No one should be doing more than 1 full time job to be able to live. No one. People don't live to work, they work to live. 
 
And yes, I'm a proud socialist. Or communist if you want to call it that. It's really sad how far the capitalist propaganda has gone into the minds of some people. All the rich are earning money on our backs, and we keep that system alive... Because the one group that won't profit from a minimum wage were people are able to live from, are the rich. The smallest group. And still, we are protecting their asses for them, instead of creating an honest system which anyone can benefit.

Here in America it's also possible, especially because they often get a higher wage on average than minimum wage jobs. Look at the link I posted.

What do you consider full time 40hours a week?

And yes, I'm definitely a product of capitalist propaganda, obviously.

I don't think there is anyone on the planet who's only job choice is being waiter.

Wow... that's... delusional. I'm not low income but I know many people who are. They don't have the time or money to go to community college to get degrees or anything because they're often supporting their family who has maybe $15 disposable income every month after normal expenses.

 

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Look, you either get paid the minimum wage or you get more, it's not like if you have a bad night your not going to get paid anything. Besides, if you consistently don't get tips on your tables, most likely you'll be fired anyways. 

 

 

I really don't understand how you think it's okay to be paid $2.13 by your actual employer, and have to rely on the generosity of others, who are already paying for what they receive, to then pay you enough to actually live.

 

How would you feel if tipping applied to other areas? What if doctors only received $5 an hour and had to rely on people tipping them to actually pay their wages? How about teachers, or firefighters? 

 

Going down the line of requiring no real training/education, retail workers. Why don't you tip those guys sitting behind the checkout scanning your items? Or the guys stacking the shelves with the items you actually wanna buy? Why does it only apply to those who bring you your food in a restaurant environment?

Wow... that's... delusional. I'm not low income but I know many people who are. They don't have the time or money to go to community college to get degrees or anything because they're often supporting their family who has maybe $15 disposable income every month after normal expenses.

My mistake, I should have said "only choice of work is being a waiter". As in the only job that they could possibly ever hold is waiting on tables. Usually if you're a waiter, there are quite a few other jobs that you could hold that pay similar amounts, and are easier to get.

Usually getting a job as a waiter is more difficult than a normal min wage job, often times because it compensates more, wouldnt you agree?

Obviously there are many thousands if not millions who's only job is waiting. I know a ton of them being at University, waiting is probably one of the most common jobs, obviously. Most if not all of them quite enjoy it, because they end up making a lot more than minimum wage on tips.

I really don't understand how you think it's okay to be paid $2.13 by your actual employer, and have to rely on the generosity of others, who are already paying for what they receive, to then pay you enough to actually live.
 
How would you feel if tipping applied to other areas? What if doctors only received $5 an hour and had to rely on people tipping them to actually pay their wages? How about teachers, or firefighters? 
 
Going down the line of requiring no real training/education, retail workers. Why don't you tip those guys sitting behind the checkout scanning your items? Or the guys stacking the shelves with the items you actually wanna buy? Why does it only apply to those who bring you your food in a restaurant environment?

Me personally I don't really like the tipping system, I'd much rather have waiters get paid minimum wage or whatever is appropriate and not have to worry about tipping, it's often quite annoying if you don't have any cash or small denomination on you.

That being said, most waiters probably benefit from it because they're often compensated more as a result, because probably greater than 95% people do tip, and if you don't then emplyeers will compensate for it.

There are a few states that have the same hourly wage for waiters as all other min wage jobs. As a result tipping is less common for less expensive meals, like California or Washington.

If they got rid of it, completely fine by me, I'm just saying that it's not a crime because emplyeers are required by law to compensate salary if someone doesn't get a total compensation of at least minimum wage. Most waiters make above minimum wage on average as a result, and I'm sure that a good number would take making more money over making less.

And in addition to that, earnings from tips aren't taxed because it's all cash. So even if your total compensation is only minimum wage, you actually take home more because 75-50% of your earnings aren't taxed.

An admin that triple posts #powerabuse

An admin that triple posts #powerabuse

I didn't want to edit them because people were quoting/replying too fast for them to see the edits.